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Bonjour à toutes et à tous.

Je suis tombé sur cette carte de visite, sur eBay U.S. :





Un " Hardee " hat d'infanterie pour simple soldat et sous - officier, une " Frock Coat " d'officier supérieur et une écharpe suffisamment claire pour appartenir à un général. Quelqu'un a une explication logique ?
 
 

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct - 16:48 (2015)    Post subject: Très étrange,... Reply with quote

Ne serait-ce pas un officier de milice de la nouvelle Orléans d'avant guerre ?
Rappelons nous qu'il y avait des noirs libres à la nouvelle Orléans dont certains de "caste" supérieure...


Voir ici : 
http://ccffcw.clicforum.com/t4942-Les-personnes-libres-de-couleur-la-Nouvel…


et plus particulièrement :
 
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Posté le: Lun 6 Avr - 17:57 (2015)    Sujet du message: Les personnes libres de couleur en Louisiane

la Louisiane constitue un cas à part dans la société sudiste d'avant la guerre de sécession , noirs planteurs possesseurs d'esclaves, milices noires levées dès 1861 pour se battre pour l'état , officiers noirs à la tête de ces milices ...
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct - 17:02 (2015)    Post subject: Très étrange,... Reply with quote

    il y a eu au moins 120 Officiers noirs dans l'Armée de l'Union


    ALPHABETICAL BY UNIT
      Independent Battery, USC Light Artllery (formerly the Kansas US Colored Light Artillery)
      Douglas, Capt. H. Ford, Ft. Leavenworth, KS
      Matthews, Lt. William D., Ft. Leavenworth, KS
        lst Lt. William D. Matthews, the first US African American policeman, who should have been the first African American commissioned officer more than a year earlier, was mustered in with the Independent Battery, Kansas US Colored Light Artillery as 2nd Lt. with the duty of a recruiting officer on July 7, 1864. He was promoted to 1st Lt. on February 27, 1865, the date the unit entered federal active service. When CPT H. Ford Douglas became ill, 1st Lt. Matthews assumed command of the Independent Battery. The combat assignments of the battery is not known. Matthews was mustered out of the service on July 15, 1865. Veteran LT Matthews applied for a pension on October 6, 1891, due to head wounds received during the Civil War in the rebel GEN Price's raid in Missouri in October, 1864. According to US Pension Agency, Topeka, KS, veteran ex-lieutenant Matthews was last paid $12.00 per month on February 4, 1906 due to death. 
        Source:"BLACK ARMED FORCES OFFICERS 1736-1971" by LTC Jesse J. Johnson U.S. Army retired.
        Contributed by Mississippi State University
      Minor, Lt. Patrick H., Ft. Leavenworth, KS
      1st USCT
      Turner, Chaplain Henry M.

      4th USCT
      Ellis, Surgeon William B., Pt. Lookout, MD
      Hunter, Chaplain William H., Baltimore, MD

      6th Louisiana Militia
      Fleury, Lt. Alphonso, Jr., New Orleans, LA
      Gaignard, Lt. Charles
        Charles Gaignard (free man of color) was a Lieutenant in the 6th Louisiana Infantry, Company K. He was also a brother-in-law of Lt. Joseph Montieu listed in the 73rd USCT. Both were originally enlisted in the CSA's Native Guards. AKA:NARA Film #M589 Roll 30. He is also listed on Plaque E-149 of the African American Civil War Memorial.
        Contributed by Judy Gaignard Vinson
      Lessassier, Lt. Valdes, New Orleans, LA
      7th Louisiana Militia
      Parker, Lt. Joseph, New Orleans, LA

      7th USCT
      Augusta, Bvt. Lt. Col. & Surgeon Alexander T.

      14th USC Heavy Artillery
      Welch, Lt. Frank M., New Bern, NC (see also 54th MASS, Moorehead City, NC)

      20th USCT
      LeVere, Chaplain George W., New York, NY

      26th USCT
      Randolph, Chaplain Benjamin F., New York, NY

      28th USCT
      White, Chaplain Garlalnd H., Indianapolis, IN

      35th USCT (formerly the First North Carolina Colored Infantry)
      DeGrasse, Surgeon John T. , New Bern, NC
      Reed, Lieutenant Colonel William N.

        Lieutenant Colonel William N. Reed was the highest ranking african american line officer in the U.S Army during the civil war. He was commissioned from civilian life on June 1, 1863, commanded the First North Carolina Colored Infantry Regiment which became the 35th USCT, and died on February 26, 1864 from gunshot wounds received on February 20, 1864 in the Battle of Olustie, Florida.
        Source:"BLACK ARMED FORCES OFFICERS 1736-1971" by LTC Jesse J. Johnson U.S. Army retired.
        Contributed by Marcus Justice
      Singleton, Colonel William H.
        Colonel William H. Singleton served during the Civil War. In March 1863, he enlisted in the First North Carolina Colored Infantry Regiment which ws later designated the 35th Regiment, US Colored Troops. In 1862-1863, he recruited a thousand Negro volunteers "...and they appointed me their Colonel and I drilled them with cornstalks for guns." He became a "Colonel" by election of his men and not by official orders. Many commissions were awarded during the Civil War to men who trained volunteers. He was born a slave on August 10, 1835 at New Bern, NC, wrote his experiences in 1922 in "Recollections of Slavery Dayss". In May 1863, after the Emancipation Proclamation, Singleton's ex-slave volunteers, who had drilled with cornstalks, were accepted into the US Army. Singleton was enrolled as First Sergeant of "G" Company 35th US Colored Infantry of North Carolina. His regiment experienced active combat service and occupation duty in South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia. He was wounded in the right leg in the battle of Olustie, Florida, one of the biggest battles during the War. After the War, the unit did guard duty in South Carolina and Singleton was mustered out of the service on June 1, 1866 with his unit. 
        Source:"BLACK ARMED FORCES OFFICERS 1736-1971" by LTC Jesse J. Johnson U.S. Army retired.
        Contributed by Mississippi State University
      36th USCT
      Stevens, Chaplain David, Portsmouth, VA

      38th USCT
      Harding, Lt. William, Virginia

      39th USCT
      Underdue, Chaplain James, Baltimore, MD

      54th Massachusetts
      Harrison, Chaplain Samuel , Boston, MA
      Stephens, 2nd Lt. George E.
      Swails, 2nd Lt. Stephen A.
      Thompson, 2nd Lt. Albert D.
      Vogelsang, Lt. Peter RQM, Boston, MA
      Welch, Lt. Frank M., Moorehead City, NC (see also 14th USC Hevy Artillery)

      55th Massachusetts
      Becker, 2nd Lt. Martin F.
      Bowles, Chaplain John L., Boston, MA
      Dupree, Lt. William H., Boston, MA
      Jackson, Chaplain William
      Jones, 2nd Lt. Armstad M.
      Michell, 2nd Lt. Charles L.
      Shadd, 2nd Lt. Abram W.
      Shorter, Lt. John F., Boston, MA
      Trotter, Lt. James M. Boston, MA
      White, 2nd Lt. Richard W.

      58th USCT
      Hunter, Capt Willlam H,. Natchez, MS

      73rd USCT
      Bourgeau. Capt. Alfred, New Orleans, LA
      Butler, Lt. Charles, New Orleans, LA
      Callioux, Capt. Andre, New Orleans, LA
      Carter, Capt. Edward, New Orleans, LA
      Converse, Lt. Chester W., New Orleans, LA
      Crowder, Lt. John, New Orleans, LA
      Davis, Capt. Edgar C., New Orleans, LA
      DePass, Capt. John, New Orleans, LA
      Detiege, Lt Emile, New Orleans, LA
      Dumas, Maj. Francis E., New Orleans, LA
      Follin, Capt. Joseph, New Orleans, LA
      Ingraham Capt James H., New Orleans, LA
      Lan(r)ien, Lt. Louis D., New Orleans, LA
      Lavigne, Lt. Victor, New Orleans, LA
      Lewis, Capt. Alcide, New Orleans, LA
      Lewis, Capt. James, New Orleans, LA
      Mallet, Lt. James, Ft. Pike, LA
      Miller, Capt Greenleaf B, Covington, KY
      Montieu, Lt Joseph L., New Orleans, LA

        Joseph Montieu was a brother in law of Lt. Charles Gaignard listed in the 6th Louisiana Infantry, Company K. Both were originally enlisted in the CSA's Native Guards. AKA:NARA Film #M589 Roll 30.
        Contributed by Judy Gaignard Vinson
      Morris, Lt Morris W., New Orleans, LA
      Moss, Lt Ehurd, New Olreans, LA
      Nash Lt. E.T., New Orleans, LA
      Rapp, Lt. Eugene, New Orleans, LA
      Rey, Lt. Henry Louis, New Orleans, LA
      Rey, Capt. Henry L., New Orleans, LA
      Snaer, Capt. Louis A., New Orleans, LA (see also 96h USCT)
      Talmon, Lt. G. W., New Orleans, LA
      Wartleid, Lt. Charles, New Orleans, LA
      74th USCT
      Annis, Lt. Alfred, Jr., New Orleans, LA
      Barrett, Capt. Willlam B., New Orleans, LA
      Belley, Capt. William, New Orleans, LA
      Bertonneau, Capt. Arnold, New Orleans, LA
      Carter, Capt. Hannibal, New Orleans, LA
      Chase, Capt. Edward P., New Orleans, LA
      De Gray, Lt. Louis, New Orleans, LA
      Depremond, Lt. Peter 0., New Orleans, LA
      Glover, Lt. Calvin B., New Orleans, LA
      Hay(e)s, Lt. Solomon, New Orleans, LA
      Holland, Capt. John C., New Orleans, LA
      Hubeau, Lt. Ernest, New Orleans, LA
      Isabelle, Capt. Robert H., New Orleans, LA
      Jones, Lt. Joseph, New Orleans, LA
      Latting, Lt. John W., New Orleans, LA
      Lawrence, Capt. Samuel, New Orleans, LA
      Martin, Lt. Theodore P., New Orleans, LA
      Morphy, Lt. Ernest, New Orleans, LA
      Orillion, Lt. Oscar, New Orleans, LA
      Pinchba(e)ck, Capt. P.B.S., New Orleans, LA
      Rey, Lt. Octave, New Orleans, LA
      Ringgold, Capt. Samuel W., New Orleans, LA
      Thompson, Lt. Jasper, New Orleans, LA
      Trask, Lt. Frank, New Orleans, LA
      Villeverde, Capt. Joseph, New Orleans, LA
      Watson, Lt. George F., New Orleans, LA
      Wellington, Lt. Joseph , New Orleans, LA
      Wilkinson, Capt. Samuel J., New Orleans, LA

      75th USCT
      Forstall, Capt. Leon G., New Orleans, LA
      Gard(i)ner, Capt. Peter A., New Orleans, LA
      Gla, Capt. Jacques A., New Orleans, LA
      Hardin, Lt. William, New Orleans, LA
      Longpre, Lt. Ernest Jr., New Orleans, LA
      Petit, Lt. Louis, New Orleans, LA
      Ray, Lt. Hypolite, New Orleans, LA
      Schermerhorn, Lt. Charles, New Orleans, LA
      St. Louis, Lt. Hyppolite, New Orleans, LA
      Thibaut, Lt. Louis, New Orleans, LA

      78th USCT
      Jackson, Chaplain (Lt) William, Port Hudson, LA

      91st USCT
      Annis, Capt. Charles, New Orleans, LA

      96th USCT
      Snaer, Capt. & Brevit Maj. Louis A., New Orleans, LA (see also 73rd USCT)

      102nd USCT (also known as the 1st Michigan Colored Infantry) 
      War(r)ing, Chaplain William, Detroit, MI

      104th USCT
      Delany, Maj. Martin R., Beaufort, SC
      Wall, Capt O.S.B., Beaufort, SC

      109th USCT
      Chaplain Francis A Boyd, Louisville, KY

      127th USCT
      Powell, Surgeon William, Philadelphia, PA

      13Oth USCT
      Dupree, Lt. Joseph W. T., Atlanta, GA


      Officers whose units have not been Identified:
      Abbott, Surgeon Anderson R.
      Beldier, Lt. Edwin
      Leonard, Chaplain Chauncy B.
      Lewis, Lt. Jules P.
      Oliver, Capt. Joseph B.




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct - 17:12 (2015)    Post subject: Très étrange,... Reply with quote

comme sur la photo il est écrit Major et New Orleans .... 


on a un Major Francis E Dumas et un Major Louis A Snaer, tous deux  de la Nouvelle Orleans au 73° USCT .... why not?
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct - 18:15 (2015)    Post subject: Très étrange,... Reply with quote

Je ne savais pas, merci Roger.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct - 18:24 (2015)    Post subject: Très étrange,... Reply with quote

ni Dumas ni Snaer, tous deux créoles de la Nouvelle orléans ... considérés comme personnes de couleur ...

Dumas


Snaer

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct - 20:02 (2015)    Post subject: Très étrange,... Reply with quote

même si c'est écrit major .... on ne voit pas bien les galons d'épaule sur la photo ...???? 
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Merci à tous pour ces informations . Mais, tous ces noirs et métis ( gens de couleur libres ) engagés dans les milices de Louisiane, sont - ils tous passés dans les rangs de l'Union lors de l'arrivée des troupes nordistes?

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Oct - 10:02 (2015)    Post subject: Très étrange,... Reply with quote

tous non surement pas, on connait surtout le destin des native guards mais il y avait d'autres milices de ce genre en Louisiane...
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